> PPS: > I remember working for a company, where it took the make utility3/4 of > an hour to figure out *what* to compile, and the compilers a day to > compile- it was a C++ project b.t.w. which was canceled and replaced by > a Smalltalk program after they spent 50man-years on a non-working > program - so much for non-toy languages !
Yeah and I just spent 3 days in an inhouse J2EE workshop held by one of our chief architects. We spent most of our time fighting with the tools. Changed setting over and over. The goal of the workshop was to demonstrate how to insert a row into an oracle table. At the end of the 2 days the table was still empty. Another non-toy language.
I have written two small apps (apx 5000 LOC) one in squak and one in stx. It was a dream. Got up in the morning and fixed two or three bugs before breakfast. You can only do this with a real cool environment.